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From "The Mom Test"

Author: Rob Fitzpatrick
Publisher: Robfitz Ltd
Year: 2013
Category: Business & Economics

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Chapter 6: Finding conversations
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Effective Management of Customer Conversations

Key Insight

When a formal meeting is necessary, its framing is critical to avoid it defaulting into an ineffective 'sales meeting.' Such a default closes customers on important topics like pricing, shifts attention from their needs to your pitch, and is premature if you are not ready to sell. Avoid direct 'interview' requests, which can sound boring, or asking for 'opinion on what we're doing,' which implies neediness. Instead, use a structured framing: state your 'vision' (e.g., solving horrible problem X), 'frame expectations' (e.g., early stage, nothing to sell), reveal a 'weakness' (a specific problem you need help with), place them on a 'pedestal' (how their unique insight can help), and then 'ask' for their time for a chat. This approach, using the mnemonic 'Very Few Wizards Properly Ask,' informs them you know what you need and that they will be able to make a real difference.

Once a meeting begins, maintaining control is essential to prevent it from becoming a discussion solely about your idea. Repeat your framing from the invitation, or cite the introducer's authority, and immediately pivot to a specific question to 'grab the reins.' For instance, inquire about a successful company in their spinout portfolio, like company X. Assertiveness in setting the agenda, keeping the discussion on topic, and proposing next steps ensures the conversation remains productive, even with warm introductions. Regarding the medium, in-person meetings are generally preferred over phone or Skype calls. In-person interactions allow access to crucial non-verbal cues like face and body language, fostering a more casual, friend-like dynamic that can lead to future warm introductions and stronger relationships.

Adopt an 'advisory flip' mindset: instead of seeking customers, aim to find industry and customer advisors. This internal shift removes a 'needy vibe,' places you in control by evaluating them, and changes the meeting context to 'finding out if you are a good advisor by asking lots of questions.' This approach requires less willpower and naturally facilitates learning, even if the discussion topics are similar to a sales-focused meeting. Regarding the number of conversations, each has an opportunity cost. For sales-driven businesses, early conversations often double as sales leads, making the cost low. The general rule is to continue conversations until no new information is being gained. For relatively simple industries with a focused customer segment, 3-5 conversations might suffice; more than 10 conversations yielding scattered results suggest an unfocused customer segment. The objective is rapid learning to answer almost any customer question within a week, then return to building the business.

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